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		<title>By: kdub</title>
		<link>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-130</link>
		<author>kdub</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good find Harry.  I'm going to post that article on the front page.

But, I don't know what to think about this research.  The main question I ask is "what does this mean?".  It seems that in life that the &lt;i&gt;truth is somewhere in the middle&lt;/i&gt;.  I don't know how HIV came to America and how it spread throughout the world but what I do know is that it is here.  I think that if Haiti was or was not a gateway for the virus to spread is irrelevant.  I want to know if HIV really did go from animal to man in the Congo...or is it a man-made virus like many conspiracy theories say.  

In the end, this research just seems like a fingerpointing exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good find Harry.  I&#8217;m going to post that article on the front page.</p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t know what to think about this research.  The main question I ask is &#8220;what does this mean?&#8221;.  It seems that in life that the <i>truth is somewhere in the middle</i>.  I don&#8217;t know how HIV came to America and how it spread throughout the world but what I do know is that it is here.  I think that if Haiti was or was not a gateway for the virus to spread is irrelevant.  I want to know if HIV really did go from animal to man in the Congo&#8230;or is it a man-made virus like many conspiracy theories say.  </p>
<p>In the end, this research just seems like a fingerpointing exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: hj</title>
		<link>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-129</link>
		<author>hj</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-129</guid>
		<description>Empire State Medical Association Denounces Incomplete Research Claims made by Dr. Gilbert 

and Dr. Worobey on “HIV Coming from Haiti” [url]www.nyesma.org [/url] 

The Empire State Medical Association is highly concerned about the claims by Michael 

Worobey that “AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried most 

likely by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a 

tragic epidemic”. 

We reject the comments that “researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant 

arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years -- first 

in the U.S. population and then to other nations.” 

Gilbert and Worobey, analyzed samples from only five of these Haitian immigrants dating 

from 1982 and 1983. They also looked at genetic data from 117 more early AIDS patients from 

around the world. This genetic analysis allowed them to calibrate the molecular clock of 

the strain of HIV that has spread most widely, and calculated when it arrived first in 

Haiti from Africa and then in the United States . The researchers virtually ruled out the 

possibility that HIV had come directly to the United States from Africa, setting a 99.8 

percent probability that Haiti was the steppingstone. 

For Haiti , the history of HIV/AIDS represents stigma, discrimination, and racism. In 1982, 

scientists at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) incorrectly inferred that Haitians were 

at increased for acquiring HIV as 
a racial group (1). HIV/AIDS therefore became known as the “4H Disease”, affecting 

homosexuals, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians. This resulted in unprecedented 

national stigmatization and devastating economic, social, and psychological consequences, 

decimating the tourist industry in this island nation. As reported at the time: “ Haiti has 

been made an international pariah by AIDS. Boycotted by tourists and investors, it has lost 

millions of dollars and thousands of jobs at a time when half the work force is jobless. 

Even exports are being shunned by some (2).” In 1985, when it became clear that Haitians 

share the same risk factors as other groups, the CDC dropped the Haitian association, but 

it was too late. HIV and Haiti were inextricably linked in the minds of the general public. 

Haiti ’s economy has never recovered. 

Gilbert et al once again link HIV and Haiti , stating: “Subtype B likely moved from Africa 

to Haiti in or around 1966” and then on to the U.S. Their entire hypothesis is based on 

virus isolated from five Haitian-Americans who were living in Miami in 1982-83. No other 

information is provided except that they “entered the U.S. after 1975 and progressed to 

AIDS by 1981 and hence were presumably infected with HIV-1 before entering the U.S. ” A 

host of questions remain. What were their risk activities? Where had they traveled? Did 

they have sex with Americans in Haiti ? We do know that the average time of progression of 

HIV infection to AIDS and to death in the pre-ART era was 4.5 and 7.4 years, respectively – 
these intervals are consistent with the five subjects acquiring the infection in the U.S, 

which limits the validity of their findings (3). The authors go on to state: “The HIV-1 

epidemic in Haiti exhibits a greater range of viral genetic diversity that the rest of the 

world’s subtype B combined”. The authors have not studied the virus in Haiti . Where are 

the data to support this claim? 

They also state that their aim is to combine phylogenetic, molecular evolutionary, 

historical, and epidemiological perspectives in an attempt to reconstruct the history of 

the subtype B pandemic. However, epidemiology studies conducted in Haiti do not support the 

author’s hypothesis. If the virus was in circulation in Haiti since 1966, there would not 

have been a much higher male: female ratio in the early years of the epidemic (80% of the 

first Haitian patients were male in the early 1980’s) which rapidly generalized as they 

spread the virus to their female partners (4,5). In addition, reviews of large samples of 

banked blood from the 1970’s failed to yield a single case of HIV and thousands of 

autopsies did not diagnose an AIDS defining illness until 1978 (6). Furthermore, only one 

case of Kaposi’s sarcoma (KS) was noted by Haitian dermatologists prior to 1979 (7). KS is 

easily recognizable and it would not have been 
missed by Haitian dermatologists for over a decade. 

Haiti has overcome enormous obstacles and mounted one of the world’s most successful 

responses to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Yet, the authors restate prejudices advanced two 

decades ago in the publication of Pitchenik et al (: “Haitians in Haiti and elsewhere are 

at risk of AIDS”. People of all ethnicities in every country are at risk. Scientists need 

to be very responsible in their assertions, lest they do great harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Empire State Medical Association Denounces Incomplete Research Claims made by Dr. Gilbert </p>
<p>and Dr. Worobey on “HIV Coming from Haiti” [url]www.nyesma.org [/url] </p>
<p>The Empire State Medical Association is highly concerned about the claims by Michael </p>
<p>Worobey that “AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried most </p>
<p>likely by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a </p>
<p>tragic epidemic”. </p>
<p>We reject the comments that “researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant </p>
<p>arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years &#8212; first </p>
<p>in the U.S. population and then to other nations.” </p>
<p>Gilbert and Worobey, analyzed samples from only five of these Haitian immigrants dating </p>
<p>from 1982 and 1983. They also looked at genetic data from 117 more early AIDS patients from </p>
<p>around the world. This genetic analysis allowed them to calibrate the molecular clock of </p>
<p>the strain of HIV that has spread most widely, and calculated when it arrived first in </p>
<p>Haiti from Africa and then in the United States . The researchers virtually ruled out the </p>
<p>possibility that HIV had come directly to the United States from Africa, setting a 99.8 </p>
<p>percent probability that Haiti was the steppingstone. </p>
<p>For Haiti , the history of HIV/AIDS represents stigma, discrimination, and racism. In 1982, </p>
<p>scientists at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) incorrectly inferred that Haitians were </p>
<p>at increased for acquiring HIV as<br />
a racial group (1). HIV/AIDS therefore became known as the “4H Disease”, affecting </p>
<p>homosexuals, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians. This resulted in unprecedented </p>
<p>national stigmatization and devastating economic, social, and psychological consequences, </p>
<p>decimating the tourist industry in this island nation. As reported at the time: “ Haiti has </p>
<p>been made an international pariah by AIDS. Boycotted by tourists and investors, it has lost </p>
<p>millions of dollars and thousands of jobs at a time when half the work force is jobless. </p>
<p>Even exports are being shunned by some (2).” In 1985, when it became clear that Haitians </p>
<p>share the same risk factors as other groups, the CDC dropped the Haitian association, but </p>
<p>it was too late. HIV and Haiti were inextricably linked in the minds of the general public. </p>
<p>Haiti ’s economy has never recovered. </p>
<p>Gilbert et al once again link HIV and Haiti , stating: “Subtype B likely moved from Africa </p>
<p>to Haiti in or around 1966” and then on to the U.S. Their entire hypothesis is based on </p>
<p>virus isolated from five Haitian-Americans who were living in Miami in 1982-83. No other </p>
<p>information is provided except that they “entered the U.S. after 1975 and progressed to </p>
<p>AIDS by 1981 and hence were presumably infected with HIV-1 before entering the U.S. ” A </p>
<p>host of questions remain. What were their risk activities? Where had they traveled? Did </p>
<p>they have sex with Americans in Haiti ? We do know that the average time of progression of </p>
<p>HIV infection to AIDS and to death in the pre-ART era was 4.5 and 7.4 years, respectively –<br />
these intervals are consistent with the five subjects acquiring the infection in the U.S, </p>
<p>which limits the validity of their findings (3). The authors go on to state: “The HIV-1 </p>
<p>epidemic in Haiti exhibits a greater range of viral genetic diversity that the rest of the </p>
<p>world’s subtype B combined”. The authors have not studied the virus in Haiti . Where are </p>
<p>the data to support this claim? </p>
<p>They also state that their aim is to combine phylogenetic, molecular evolutionary, </p>
<p>historical, and epidemiological perspectives in an attempt to reconstruct the history of </p>
<p>the subtype B pandemic. However, epidemiology studies conducted in Haiti do not support the </p>
<p>author’s hypothesis. If the virus was in circulation in Haiti since 1966, there would not </p>
<p>have been a much higher male: female ratio in the early years of the epidemic (80% of the </p>
<p>first Haitian patients were male in the early 1980’s) which rapidly generalized as they </p>
<p>spread the virus to their female partners (4,5). In addition, reviews of large samples of </p>
<p>banked blood from the 1970’s failed to yield a single case of HIV and thousands of </p>
<p>autopsies did not diagnose an AIDS defining illness until 1978 (6). Furthermore, only one </p>
<p>case of Kaposi’s sarcoma (KS) was noted by Haitian dermatologists prior to 1979 (7). KS is </p>
<p>easily recognizable and it would not have been<br />
missed by Haitian dermatologists for over a decade. </p>
<p>Haiti has overcome enormous obstacles and mounted one of the world’s most successful </p>
<p>responses to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Yet, the authors restate prejudices advanced two </p>
<p>decades ago in the publication of Pitchenik et al (: “Haitians in Haiti and elsewhere are </p>
<p>at risk of AIDS”. People of all ethnicities in every country are at risk. Scientists need </p>
<p>to be very responsible in their assertions, lest they do great harm.</p>
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		<title>By: harry joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-127</link>
		<author>harry joseph</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-127</guid>
		<description>Any taker out there  what is the point that report, who pay for it ?seem to be attacking haitian, could it possible also that american brought to haitians instead of the other way around.

This finding does not hold  water,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any taker out there  what is the point that report, who pay for it ?seem to be attacking haitian, could it possible also that american brought to haitians instead of the other way around.</p>
<p>This finding does not hold  water,</p>
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		<title>By: kdub</title>
		<link>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-110</link>
		<author>kdub</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-110</guid>
		<description>I think the Haitians were working in Africa (Congo).  Somehow it went from Chimps to Africans (explain that) then the Haitians working there got from the native Africans.  I don't know but somehow Magic has has HIV since I was in elementary school...and I'm about to be 29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Haitians were working in Africa (Congo).  Somehow it went from Chimps to Africans (explain that) then the Haitians working there got from the native Africans.  I don&#8217;t know but somehow Magic has has HIV since I was in elementary school&#8230;and I&#8217;m about to be 29.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheeba</title>
		<link>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-108</link>
		<author>Sheeba</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.web2freedom.net/2007/10/30/from-africa-to-haiti-to-america-the-spread-of-hiv/#comment-108</guid>
		<description>Yes, there seems to be plenty of gaps in this theory.  It went from chimps to Africans???  Are they implying that Africans or Haitians...???  I'm a bit lost on that...I agree with you.  No matter how it got here, let us stop it from claiming the lives of so many people, specifically in the black community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there seems to be plenty of gaps in this theory.  It went from chimps to Africans???  Are they implying that Africans or Haitians&#8230;???  I&#8217;m a bit lost on that&#8230;I agree with you.  No matter how it got here, let us stop it from claiming the lives of so many people, specifically in the black community.</p>
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